tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22979825.post5402497375264269922..comments2023-05-23T07:58:18.549-04:00Comments on Relentless Grace: Learning to read well Robbie Schmidtbergerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09198009060645096467noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22979825.post-52250229097536658902007-11-14T00:15:00.000-05:002007-11-14T00:15:00.000-05:00Steve, I see your point, and it is well raised. I...Steve, <BR/>I see your point, and it is well raised. I would not want to sit through a sermon on logic, i would find that quite... distracting from the mission of the church. It would be better for logic to be displayed and taught by lifestyle and conversations, leading one to Christ in a discipleship, evangelistic, and mentoring context.Robbiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08401153316237694846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22979825.post-84856140161410660562007-11-13T09:52:00.000-05:002007-11-13T09:52:00.000-05:00I don't know that you need to teach people formal ...I don't know that you need to teach people formal logic in order to make sure they properly understand and articulate the faith. I think this comes down to a church by church issue with the pastor determining whether it's important enough or necessary to teach. Even there, I don't think we need drawn out sermons on logic, perhaps minor points on general logic would be in order.steveandjannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00347954290352661635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22979825.post-30398550604726231462007-11-12T18:44:00.000-05:002007-11-12T18:44:00.000-05:00Yes I brought up logic, I brought in reason and ra...Yes I brought up logic, I brought in reason and rationality. In any discussion about thought you do so. You might think that it is a dubious for the church to teach logic, but how is that so when you lead others to ask and answer questions about the faith? When I say lead, I specifically mean leading them through such a process - what questions to ask due to their personal setting and context.Robbie Schmidtbergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09198009060645096467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22979825.post-21194681386709969432007-11-12T15:10:00.000-05:002007-11-12T15:10:00.000-05:00You're the one who brought up logic in your post, ...You're the one who brought up logic in your post, I was simply responding to it. If we're going to have the church teaching people how to read (a dubious function of the church quite frankly) you need to teach the people how to think logically, at least according to the questions you suggested people ask themselves when they're reading. I'm here to tell you, most people don't understand the first thing about formal logic. They may reach logical conclusions from time to time but they don't have the slightest idea how they came to reach those conclusions. God and His word are profoundly logical and for some believers I think understanding logic will help their walk with Christ. I don't think that's a requirement for everyone though, nor do I really believe the church needs to teach people reading or logic.<BR/><BR/>On another note, I don't think postmodernism is quite as logical as you suggest. I suppose to a sinful man it is, evil always looks right in the eyes of the wicked. But if we get right down to it, I'm not so sure that it's as logical as it appears at first glance.steveandjannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00347954290352661635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22979825.post-22520305712649897772007-11-08T18:51:00.000-05:002007-11-08T18:51:00.000-05:00is logic the same as reason? While there is a pro...is logic the same as reason? While there is a proper way to reason through an argument, Scripture teaches clearly that men and women do have rational cognitive minds. If logic is the same as reason, do not people have the ability to think logically? Now that reason or logic could be corrupted, it certainly is. I would not be Augustinian if I said otherwise. Reason cannot lead to God, only the Spirit through Scripture does that. In this midst, we can ask logical questions, that the spirit uses to reveal our need for God. <BR/><BR/>If we say we need to teach them logic, sounds similar to that argument: ignorance is the problem of people. In reality, Postmodernity is one of the most consistent worldviews and philosophies out there. And that was devised by lost sinners deprived of goodness. "And they did what was right in their own eyes."Robbie Schmidtbergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09198009060645096467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22979825.post-1547424153946160092007-11-07T12:38:00.000-05:002007-11-07T12:38:00.000-05:00If you're going to teach folks how to read 'proper...If you're going to teach folks how to read 'properly' as you suggest you're also going to have to teach them logic. Let's face it, most people aren't taught logic anymore.steveandjannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00347954290352661635noreply@blogger.com